Sorry Len, But I have to say "sure finish" blows

[style]

I've used damn near every compound and polish that exists and the Sure-Finish does not suck. Now it is true that it's not the fastest compound in the world but what I think is causing your problems is a unique characteristic of it.

Prior to Sure-Finish I start with Menzerna PowerGloss which is a very fast cutting compound and this is used in the very conventional way of dumping some on the surface and then buffing. Dump some more, then buff some more. When the pad cakes scrape it off with a spur, then continue.

Sure-Finish sinks into the pad a lot more than most compounds. This is both it's major benefit and until the pad is seasoned it's greatest liability. The reason this is a benefit is that Sure-Finish stays wet a lot longer than most compounds. That good. The problem with needing to season the pad is that you've got to get the compound into the pad before it starts to cut. Robert's tutorial illustrates this. You moisten the wool pad however you chose, I use a pump up mister, and then you go about getting the Sure-Finish into the pad by picking up several lines of it. Once you do this the stuff cuts very nicely and since it stays wet a long time you don't need to keep putting lines of the compound on the work.

That stated where I really like Sure-Finish is on foam pads after I've compounded with wool using Menzerna PowerGloss. On foam I'm convinced Sure-Finish is the best compound available as once the foam is seasoned you can polish damn near a complete hood without adding much additional compound.

I've got access to damn near every high end compound in the world including all of Menzerna's line which to many is the world standard as it is factory at BMW and Mercedes. I try every compound I can get my hands on as soon as it comes out since in a way it's a hobby of mine to do so. I've used Hi-Temp, Optima, Transtar, 3M, Evercoat, and everybody elses just for fun and Sure-Finish is still my go to polish with foam. The problem is that it's different.

Menzerna,you must be rich... I boought some once from autogeek online they have forums too and sell all those pinicle waxes and stuff, hell I bought a quart of souveran wax and menzerna compound and when it got to me c.o.d. My bill was 18.00 shipping and 170.00 for the two chemicals I almost fainted as I paid the ups guy.... Though chemicals and pads do help,its the person controlling the machines speed and texture/proccess that truly matters...

[Henry]

Maybe it's something I do wrong?or maybe its our differences on what is acceptible,or maybe you have a less sensitive eye? Either way..there is no way i can remove 1000 grit scratches with SF,and it would take forever with just about anything else.I had a guy tell me the other day that he cut 1000 grit with a 3m black foam polishing pad and swirl remover..WRONG

Chris, when I say one pass to cut 1000 scratch, I mean a section about 18" square with a wool (seasoned) pad plus a couple three lines of SF on the panel that was just finish filmed. I sometime keep going over the area with the wool pad but like to switch over to the orange pad (damp with some product) and bring that to a semi-swirled finish.
Believe it or not but the only time I have to go over an area is if I've left any strips of a little dull between sections I have compounded.

Before TF/SF, I was using Presta UCC as the compound. The SF has done the same result for me without the mess from the heavier UCC. I think the UCC is some great stuff along with the entire Presta line. I just find the SF to work as well without the mess and keep me with one product. The other thing that I did not like about the Presta was, at least for me, I would never use the pad I used for UCC, to be used with their next step of 1500 or 2000 polish.

I will say the worst experience I had with TF was the first time when I was using it experimentally on a complete repaint. I did half the car with Presta and half with True Finish. The TF lost hands down due to the dullness over the Presta. I later figured out that was because I used the pads I used for the Presta to work the TF. I think this loosened the Presta which mixed with the TF and thus I made my own mess. Henry