Any thoughts on this Primer?

[Kingstang]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AUTO-...spagenameZWD1V

[Len]

If I were painting a horse trailer or some other low-end job I may give it a try but if I were spraying a project that I wanted to last I use something else. Primer, paint, tools etc. almost always follow the same rule... you get what you pay for. If you have a worthwhile project purchase a "name brand" primer from your local body shop supplier then follow that with name brand paint. If you're doing a quick and cheap job where price is more important than longevity then experiment with low priced products.

What is really humorous is that they didn't even trust their own product enough to put it on a real car. It's on a model car in the picture.

[SuthnCustoms]

A few of the guys around here i know has bought from these same people on eBay,take it from somenoe who's dealt with em..BIG mistake..first off,they have no real tech sheets to go by,second..the paint we have got off them a whole gallon wouldnt full color a vehicle it was so low color pigment and transparent,3rd..recently done a little truck with their midnight mettalic blue and wouldnt color it all so instead of buying another gallon and waiting for the minumum of 2 weeks they take to deliver we bought Omni,long story short,that paint even bled through the epoxy sealer and made the good basecoat we got lift,,some kind of bad chemical reaction,when i called their so called "tech line",it took 3 days to get in touch with them and when asked what was in that stuff?.."its a family recipe we cant give out"..im like..this guy is some goofball retired moonshiner now mixing up crazy "paint recipes"

4th and most of all,that kit is 70.00 delivered,i can go get a PROVEN sealer primer for that much if not less,my local jobber sells me a gallon of grey or black Omni MP170 sealer/primer(now called shopline) for 70.00 and always throws in paint sticks,filters and dust masks for sanding etc..plus i didnt have to wait for the minumum of 2 weeks for them to decide to ship it,i had it IN my hands when i paid for it

[88GT]

Funny! I sealed a 1970 Charger with 40 onces (about $10-$15 worth) of DuPont sealer. A gallon will seal 10 cars. If they say a gallon will seal most cars, its gotta be junk

[Kingstang]

I guess I'm screwed now, next time I'll ask questions first before I make a purchase

[Mooch]

I guess I'm screwed now, next time I'll ask questions first before I make a purchase

Why not decide for yourself ? After you receive your order give an honest report back here .

Finding out something first hand is the best way in this hobby .

Mooch

[Len]

There's no way that a novice can make an informed evaluation because they don't have enough experience with a variety of products to compare the differences. If a novice sprays the primer how would they know if it's working well or not? Sure we could tell them what to look for but we wouldn't have a decent answer for a year or two.

[88GT]

There's no way that a novice can make an informed evaluation because they don't have enough experience with a variety of products to compare the differences. If a novice sprays the primer how would they know if it's working well or not? Sure we could tell them what to look for but we wouldn't have a decent answer for a year or two.

Sealer should be one coat coverage. I can tell you already, if it takes a gallon to cover just one car, it cant be one coat coverage. For the $49 they want for that sealer, I can get a quart of DuPont and a quart of activator (which will give me a quart and a half activated sealer) and that will do at least 2 average size cars, and its a proven name brand. Just the fact it's 1K would scare me away, let alonethe fact it takes a whole gallon to do a car.

[Mooch]

Sealer should be one coat coverage. I can tell you already, if it takes a gallon to cover just one car, it cant be one coat coverage. For the $49 they want for that sealer, I can get a quart of DuPont and a quart of activator (which will give me a quart and a half activated sealer) and that will do at least 2 average size cars, and its a proven name brand. Just the fact it's 1K would scare me away, let alonethe fact it takes a whole gallon to do a car.

I'm not defending the product of course. But unless you have used it , I wouldn't knock it . However what you and Len both say is good advice.

As far as 1K goes there are lots of really good 1K products. Case in point would be ZERO RUST , have you ever had a problem with that ?

Kirker Mira Clear is one I can use as a point. Many people here have knocked it including Phil V. However I have used it and with a reducer ,I find it to spray rather well .

One of the things I love to do is buy a small amount of something someone has knocked. Give it a go and see for myself .Doesn't cost much to do that and it is fun.

Right I am doing a test between SPI epoxy and Kirker epoxy and ZERO RUST . Two 2 K products against a 1 K product.

Mt test is with salt water .I live close to the Ocean and several bay. My test is being done right at the bulkhead . Just for the fun of it to see which one holds up better.
I'm doing this for my own use and haven't decided if I will post the results . My gut feeling is all will fail .

Mooch

[88GT]

I'm not defending the product of course. But unless you have used it , I wouldn't knock it . However what you and Len both say is good advice.

As far as 1K goes there are lots of really good 1K products. Case in point would be ZERO RUST , have you ever had a problem with that ?

Kirker Mira Clear is one I can use as a point. Many people here have knocked it including Phil V. However I have used it and with a reducer ,I find it to spray rather well .

One of the things I love to do is buy a small amount of something someone has knocked. Give it a go and see for myself .Doesn't cost much to do that and it is fun.

Right I am doing a test between SPI epoxy and Kirker epoxy and ZERO RUST . Two 2 K products against a 1 K product.

Mt test is with salt water .I live close to the Ocean and several bay. My test is being done right at the bulkhead . Just for the fun of it to see which one holds up better.
I'm doing this for my own use and haven't decided if I will post the results . My gut feeling is all will fail .

Mooch

Ive never used ZR.
I guess if I was a hobbiest I might be enclined to try different things and experiment. I work on other peoples cars, rarely my own stuff. I like the peace of mind that I will not likely have a failure down the road or a redo because I like to use the same proven stuff all the time. I agree with Len about the name brand. Heck, I was skeptical to use the Nason 2:1 clear, but my jobber talked me into it on a mid budget car. The main reason I was willing to try it is because it is a DuPont product. Not their top of the line, but the 2:1 is the Nason top of the line.
Maybe I need to look at things from different views, but my customers technically pay for the materials. I insist on using quality. That primer doent seem to be anything I would call a quality product. Sealers are for one, a time/step saver. How can it be that if it likely tales 3-4 coats to seal "most cars"? You may as well just spray 3-4 more coats of base.
The guy DID ask for thoughts in the stuff. My houghts are, its a waste of money. especially after the testimonial in this thread.

[Dennis N. Schmidt]

I too couldn't help myself and bought some basecoat from these losers. What a joke. Actually the moonshiner refererence in one of the responses given above is almost exactly right. These dudes are from the Ozarks of Missouri and I'm sure they know more about moonshine than paint. RUN, DON'T WALK, AWAY FROM THIS STUFF.

[Mooch]

Ive never used ZR.
I guess if I was a hobbiest I might be enclined to try different things and experiment. I work on other peoples cars, rarely my own stuff. I like the peace of mind that I will not likely have a failure down the road or a redo because I like to use the same proven stuff all the time. I agree with Len about the name brand. Heck, I was skeptical to use the Nason 2:1 clear, but my jobber talked me into it on a mid budget car. The main reason I was willing to try it is because it is a DuPont product. Not their top of the line, but the 2:1 is the Nason top of the line.
Maybe I need to look at things from different views, but my customers technically pay for the materials. I insist on using quality. That primer doent seem to be anything I would call a quality product. Sealers are for one, a time/step saver. How can it be that if it likely tales 3-4 coats to seal "most cars"? You may as well just spray 3-4 more coats of base.
The guy DID ask for thoughts in the stuff. My houghts are, its a waste of money. especially after the testimonial in this thread.

Well that do make a differnce. I should have said for a hobbiest , in your case only proven products for sure .

I just read Dennis Schmidts post and his opinion is good enough for me.

Mooch

[Kingstang]

Thanks for the suggestions fellas, I already shot the car with it, as far what its doing, I haven't slightest idea as this is my first time painting, I didn't want to spend a boat load of money on top of the line material and screw it up, I'm a little more at peace with myself using low budget stuff, its my race car anyway, so I wasn't in the market for show car paint job( nor could I afford it)....................Again, thanks for your input!!!



Kingstang

[tcseacliff]

Sealer should be one coat coverage. I can tell you already, if it takes a gallon to cover just one car, it cant be one coat coverage. For the $49 they want for that sealer, I can get a quart of DuPont and a quart of activator (which will give me a quart and a half activated sealer) and that will do at least 2 average size cars, and its a proven name brand. Just the fact it's 1K would scare me away, let alonethe fact it takes a whole gallon to do a car.

what is the 1K, 2k you pros quote all the time?? what is the K, and what is the significance of the k, and the #'s 1&2??? just curious!!!

[Len]

It just means 1 part or 2 parts. Primer with or without hardener.