Does anyone buy paint online?

[Auto Concepts]

Now wait a minute Auto Concepts... you never posted before and you register here just to be an advocate for SPI?

55 Chevrolet doesn't owe anyone an explanation, he has a track record.

I had a run in with Barry (the SPI man) because he advocates applying epoxy primer prior to applying bondo. (How about it Auto Concepts does your shop apply epoxy primer under bondo? If so I have some questions.) Anyway, Barry and I went back and forth on the Hottrodders forum and I'm pretty sure he now carries a grudge. Barry is not a dumb guy but his agenda is to sell SPI products so when reading his comments you've got to keep that in mind.

I'm not an advocate for anything. Some were bad mouthing SPI and all I said was that I use it. It's as good as anything out there. I don't sell it. I think before they run off at the mouth, they should at least try it. I like PPG, but I won't pay their crazy inflated price.
Bob

[Len]

I'm not an advocate for anything. Some were bad mouthing SPI and all I said was that I use it. It's as good as anything out there. I don't sell it. I think before they run off at the mouth, they should at least try it. I like PPG, but I won't pay their crazy inflated price.
Bob

I agree that we shouldn't be bad mouthing products that we haven't tried but I think that SPI has promoted their products in such a way as to turn off a lot of people. One look at their forum gives you a sense of their attitude. However I disagree that one paint is "as good as anything out there"... it's either better or worse because paint is a very competitive business and you almost always get what you pay for. I don't like paying a lot of money for paint either but I buy one of the most expensive brands because I do some very high-end cars and the customer is charged for the materials. If I was doing collision work and was getting paid a minimum amount for materials I would probably be shopping price

Questions: Do you have a shop? If so, do you purchase SPI products from a supplier or do you send for them and have them shipped to you? I would find it very difficult to do business with a paint supplier that I had to have ship me their products. I usually purchase paint well in advance of needed it but I frequently need hardener or reducer and sometimes color at the spur of the moment and I get it delivered that day or I go pick it up.

One more question... Do you apply epoxy primer under body filler, like Barry recommends? If so I have a couple questions.

[Mooch]

Not trying to sell anything! I actually tried it. I don't see anyone saying that it's a bad, expensive or any other constructive criticism that has used it. Exactly what do you have against SPI, Mooch?

Dan

I don't have anything against SPI . I have a problem with the way it is pushed on people has the best brand money can buy crap. It hasn't been around long enough to even be able to say it passed the test of time .

I don't care how barry K pays you guys or what free stuff he gives you. Just keep the sales pitch on the 101 and spi site.

You guys have ruined 2 sites already with your spi sales pitch and attacking anyone who doesn't like it.

You guys act as if spi is your friend not a paint company. 55 chevy lost any respect he had by running back to 101,and saying we were attacking spi.
And than a couple of your members threw insults at the ABS.

I'm tempted to come over to the 101 and promote HOK clear or some other brand and see how you would act.

I wouldn't use spi if they gave it to me either . And my reason is because of how you and 55 chevy have acted .

Mooch

[88GT]

I don't have anything against SPI . I have a problem with the way it is pushed on people has the best brand money can buy crap. It hasn't been around long enough to even be able to say it passed the test of time .

I don't care how barry K pays you guys or what free stuff he gives you. Just keep the sales pitch on the 101 and spi site.

You guys have ruined 2 sites already with your spi sales pitch and attacking anyone who doesn't like it.

You guys act as if spi is your friend not a paint company. 55 chevy lost any respect he had by running back to 101,and saying we were attacking spi.
And than a couple of your members threw insults at the ABS.

I'm tempted to come over to the 101 and promote HOK clear or some other brand and see how you would act.

I wouldn't use spi if they gave it to me either . And my reason is because of how you and 55 chevy have acted .

Mooch

LMAO. maybe push Transtar or some other off the wall junk.
I never heard of the stuff. I'm not very inclined at all to try even a good brand Im not familiar with...PPG,HOK Sherwin Willians etc. At least not on customer work

[Auto Concepts]

I agree that we shouldn't be bad mouthing products that we
Questions: Do you have a shop? If so, do you purchase SPI products from a supplier or do you send for them and have them shipped to you? I would find it very difficult to do business with a paint supplier that I had to have ship me their products. I usually purchase paint well in advance of needed it but I frequently need hardener or reducer and sometimes color at the spur of the moment and I get it delivered that day or I go pick it up.

One more question... Do you apply epoxy primer under body filler, like Barry recommends? If so I have a couple questions.

I have a restoration shop. www.acrodz.com. I purchase SPI products from a local supplier and they deliver to my shop. Some of the Year One project cars have been done with SPI products as well as many other high end restorations. I have put bondo over epoxy and it bonds extremly well. You should really get to know Barry. He might come across as a know it all, but thats because he knows what he is talking about. Where else can you get the owner of a companys cell #. He will insist that you call him anytime day or night with your questions. Try that one with PPG sometime.
Bob

[55chevrolet]

I simply wanted to hear opinions. If on here the XYZ product is great but on the "other" site XYZ is junk, then where am I at as far as filtering the info.

Thank You Len for the "no explaining comment", but I love to explain myself as I don't do things improper intentionally. I either make an error in judgement or some else does when they percieve me as a trouble maker.

I have never "raved" about SPI and I am not going to spend money trying something till I am convinced it's good stuff. If anything, I ask Barry K to justifiy the use of his product. Brian Martin has gave it good marks and that means a little bit to me as Senior and I have both agreed and butted heads over the years, but always I took his opinion as honest from his prospective.

Information is what sites like this are for. I just what good, solid information.


Thank You Len for giving us the site.

Larry

P.S. Auto Concepts...I can call a PPG rep on the cell phone. He is a relative. Now you know how I got started on PPG.

[dt196]

I don't have anything against SPI . I have a problem with the way it is pushed on people has the best brand money can buy crap. It hasn't been around long enough to even be able to say it passed the test of time .

I don't care how barry K pays you guys or what free stuff he gives you. Just keep the sales pitch on the 101 and spi site.

You guys have ruined 2 sites already with your spi sales pitch and attacking anyone who doesn't like it.

You guys act as if spi is your friend not a paint company. 55 chevy lost any respect he had by running back to 101,and saying we were attacking spi.
And than a couple of your members threw insults at the ABS.

I'm tempted to come over to the 101 and promote HOK clear or some other brand and see how you would act.

I wouldn't use spi if they gave it to me either . And my reason is because of how you and 55 chevy have acted .

Mooch

Mooch, I do take exception to your comments. I'm not "you guys". I've had my own Corvette Body/ Restoration shop for the last 30 years, so I know what I'm looking for in a product whether it be epoxy, primer or clear.
If you'll read my posts, you'll see that I've used the majors ( SW, Dupont, PPG) and just got tired of the high prices. Never tried to shove SPI down anybodies throat.
These forums are to a way to get & give information. I tried SPI and it works for me so I shared that. The thread was " does anybody buy paint on line". I buy my SPI on line. As my Dupont rep once told me, "all the systems out there will work, you just need to find the one that works for you and your situation."
I can't speak for 55.
But if I were you, I wouldn't try anything new, you might just learn something. Don't blame me for not trying SPI if it was given to you. I've been doing this for 30 years and I'm still learning things!

Dan

[Mooch]

Mooch, I do take exception to your comments. I'm not "you guys". I've had my own Corvette Body/ Restoration shop for the last 30 years, so I know what I'm looking for in a product whether it be epoxy, primer or clear.
If you'll read my posts, you'll see that I've used the majors ( SW, Dupont, PPG) and just got tired of the high prices. Never tried to shove SPI down anybodies throat.
These forums are to a way to get & give information. I tried SPI and it works for me so I shared that. The thread was " does anybody buy paint on line". I buy my SPI on line. As my Dupont rep once told me, "all the systems out there will work, you just need to find the one that works for you and your situation."
I can't speak for 55.
But if I were you, I wouldn't try anything new, you might just learn something. Don't blame me for not trying SPI if it was given to you. I've been doing this for 30 years and I'm still learning things!

Dan

Take all the exception you want,I could care less. Why would I wan't to change the brand I use if it works for me ? What could I learn new by spraying SPI epoxy primer ? Get a life, It is epoxy primer and there are many brands and guess what they all work.

I'm still waiting for you or one of your SPI buddies to show me where I knocked SPI . You guys act as if Barry K invented epoxy .

If you like it and think it's the best out there ,just use it.
I think 55 chevy looked pretty foolish running back to the SPI forum and saying(they are bashing SPI on the ABS) .My god it's frigging paint not your mother.

I have read where some of the guys on SPI forum have bashed other brands of paint. And it's always followed by an add for spi. How much is barry paying you guys ?

Let me repeat myself one more time for you . If you like spi use it .I see no need to try it. I prefer HOK clear and unless it changes will always use it.
Again show me where I have bashed spi and ever said it was junk.
If you can't do that ,than your just blowing smoke.

Funny as hell.


Mooch

[55chevrolet]

I got a good debate going anyway.

Mooch, to be honest the only bias I have is that I really do dislike bashing anything. honest opinions for or against something is fine and exactly what I am looking for.

My small shop could use a more cost effective products. The cost to restore an old classic is high enough as it is without the constant price increases for paint products.

As it stands now, I will use about 2 gal of epoxy to do a car inside and out. Then there is the 1.5 -2 gals of high build. Current PPG prices will put primer ALONE near 1k for a car. Just primer. Try explaining that to some wage earner who is trying to get his classic done right.

As to you thinking I look foolish, go right ahead buddy. You can think want ever you want. You are only master of your opinion.


Have a good day.

Larry

[mattcorby]

www.coastairbrush.com

I know it's mostly for airbrush artists, but they have reasonable prices on paint and an exellent selection of HoK and PPG in gallons, quarts, and sizes down to 2oz. They're a good company i've dealt with them several times.

[Mooch]

I got a good debate going anyway.

Mooch, to be honest the only bias I have is that I really do dislike bashing anything. honest opinions for or against something is fine and exactly what I am looking for.

My small shop could use a more cost effective products. The cost to restore an old classic is high enough as it is without the constant price increases for paint products.

As it stands now, I will use about 2 gal of epoxy to do a car inside and out. Then there is the 1.5 -2 gals of high build. Current PPG prices will put primer ALONE near 1k for a car. Just primer. Try explaining that to some wage earner who is trying to get his classic done right.

As to you thinking I look foolish, go right ahead buddy. You can think want ever you want. You are only master of your opinion.


Have a good day.

Larry

I just think you looked foolish running back to the SPI site yelling ,They are bashing SPI on the ABS site.

You have to admit that wasn't the actions of an adult .

As far as your opinion is concerned I have no problem with that. And you will never hear me on the PPG bandwagon . I quit using any of their products when they cut out internet sales.

I was doing this stuff in the 50's and epoxy is nothing new. Even though some would have you think it is a new type of paint.

I could less what anyone decides to use .I use whatever I want to and tell no one what they should buy.

But you guys are members of a site called SPI FORUM. Let me guess what paint brand your site would recommend .

I will say I am impressed with how you guy's stick up for barry K and his product. But barry didn't discover paint and I'm not even convinced it isn't just a relabled product.

Mooch

[88GT]

www.coastairbrush.com

I know it's mostly for airbrush artists, but they have reasonable prices on paint and an exellent selection of HoK and PPG in gallons, quarts, and sizes down to 2oz. They're a good company i've dealt with them several times.

They dont seem to carry Dupont

[Auto Concepts]

I just think you looked foolish running back to the SPI site yelling ,They are bashing SPI on the ABS site.

You have to admit that wasn't the actions of an adult .

As far as your opinion is concerned I have no problem with that. And you will never hear me on the PPG bandwagon . I quit using any of their products when they cut out internet sales.

I was doing this stuff in the 50's and epoxy is nothing new. Even though some would have you think it is a new type of paint.

I could less what anyone decides to use .I use whatever I want to and tell no one what they should buy.

But you guys are members of a site called SPI FORUM. Let me guess what paint brand your site would recommend .

I will say I am impressed with how you guy's stick up for barry K and his product. But barry didn't discover paint and I'm not even convinced it isn't just a relabled product.

Mooch

There are a great bunch of guys on the SPI site and not all use SPI products.
Those guys will go out of their way to answer any questions. There are no stupid questions.That been said, I also think this is a great site. Just a couple people here that are, well I won't go there.
Bob

[Mooch]

There are a great bunch of guys on the SPI site and not all use SPI products.
Those guys will go out of their way to answer any questions. There are no stupid questions.That been said, I also think this is a great site. Just a couple people here that are, well I won't go there.
Bob

Now isn't that nice. You don't want to go there but yet you did.

You could have just said your little speech and left it at that. But you came here to poke a little jab.
The SPI site just by it's name tells you what it is .Why can't you guys be honest about it. You promote SPI products and try to change guys over to SPI.
It is a great sales pitch ,why be ashamed of it.

Mooch

[55chevrolet]

Please don't say "you guys". I just signed up over there. Go browse and see how many post I have made.

"You have to admit that wasn't the actions of an adult " I disagree.

If anything....please don't get mad......Your adittude is the one tht's a bit unadult like.

You are too bitter for some reason. If BK or SPI messed with you, please tell me. That is why I post on sites like this, to get the opinion and experiences of others. I know for some, forums like this are quasi social clubs. Not for me. They are "networking" opportunities to get information from people I otherwise would never even know were on the planet.


If I upset you Mooch, rest assured it was not my intent.

Let's just let it drop and move on to other issues.

Have a good one.

Larry