Painting gsx-r 750 with Omni tri-coat pearl-need advice

[bridger1001]

I am painting my 2002 gsx-r 750 with Omni paint. The paint I picked is a tri-coat system. It's GM diamond white pearl. I got some blue pearl powder so that I can use it on the ghost flames that I will be taping off. I have sanded all the ABS panels with 220. All of my filler work is done. I was planning on priming and then wet-sanding with 400 before applying the paint. The primer that was suggested to me by the lady who sold me the paint is a surfacer for ABS bumpers. Does all of this sound good? I want to make sure that I execute this well. I just spent $300 on this stuff! I will be spraying this with an Astro LVLP gun with a 1.4mm tip. I was hoping to get some advice on the best way to make my ghost flames stand out with the blue pearl using this system.

[style]

I am painting my 2002 gsx-r 750 with Omni paint. The paint I picked is a tri-coat system. It's GM diamond white pearl. I got some blue pearl powder so that I can use it on the ghost flames that I will be taping off. I have sanded all the ABS panels with 220. All of my filler work is done. I was planning on priming and then wet-sanding with 400 before applying the paint. The primer that was suggested to me by the lady who sold me the paint is a surfacer for ABS bumpers. Does all of this sound good? I want to make sure that I execute this well. I just spent $300 on this stuff! I will be spraying this with an Astro LVLP gun with a 1.4mm tip. I was hoping to get some advice on the best way to make my ghost flames stand out with the blue pearl using this system.

pics allways help,and more details on filler work on abs would as well why and how was it filled etc..

[frostje]

Pics would help alot. Sounds right. That may not be the best idea shooting "escalade" white pearl. That is not an easy color tri stage. That cheap gun may not be up for that kind of complicated pearl. Just IMO. You may not be happy with the results.

[bridger1001]

Ok. here's a pic of the fairing I did filler work on. It had an outward dent. I heated it up with my heat gun, pushed it in to where it was close. DA'd around the repair area with 80 to give the filler something to grab, sanded filler with 220, 320 The finished/sanded filler is definitely very thin. Is it going to disastrous to try and spray the paint I have picked with my Astro? If I need to buy a better gun I will. I don't want to mess this up.... If I get a HVLP gun instead of my LVLP Astro, I will have to buy a larger compressor as well....

[Len]

Ok. here's a pic of the fairing I did filler work on. It had an outward dent. I heated it up with my heat gun, pushed it in to where it was close. DA'd around the repair area with 80 to give the filler something to grab, sanded filler with 220, 320 The finished/sanded filler is definitely very thin. Is it going to disastrous to try and spray the paint I have picked with my Astro? If I need to buy a better gun I will. I don't want to mess this up.... If I get a HVLP gun instead of my LVLP Astro, I will have to buy a larger compressor as well....

If the Astro is in good shape it may be ok on a job that small. You should spray a couple coats of filler primer then guide coat and block sand before applying your color. Even if your compressor is small it may be able to power any spray gun because the panel that you're painting is small and you should be finished a coat of primer or paint before you see a pressure drop. You can wait a few minutes between coats for the compressor to catch up.

[bridger1001]

Len, the Astro is almost new. I was thinking the same thing as far as the compressor size seeing as how I am painting small panels. Does anyone have any advice on the best way to use the blue pearl power in conjunction with the tri-coat system in order to do some ghost flames?

[style]

why you would paint your bike the same color as an outdated cadillac is beyond me..

wrap it in alsa chrome then hit it with black candy and do the flames in true glow,or something different dont be like everyone else..

even carbon fiber with a tear into a solid color looks better then that,
and carbon fiber to me is pretty out dated around here..



just do something different,and throw that omni crap away i wouldnt use ithat shit to save my life..

heres some other ideas..

http://www.hydro-dip.com/gallery/

[bridger1001]

Wow. I really don't remember asking for anyone's opinion on color. I picked the color because I like it. I don't give a damn if u like it or not. I don't usually throw away things I just spent $300 on. This is not a show bike. It is a 10 year old bike with a reconstructed title. I'm sure the results that can be achieved with Omni will be more than sufficient for my needs. Besides, if I was painting show bikes and could afford a $1200 paint job for a street bike I wouldn't be asking questions than an amateur painter would ask.... It must suck to have nothing better to do than go on forums and essentially insult people instead of offering any constructive advice....

[style]

[QUOTE=bridger1001;201418]Wow. I really don't remember asking for anyone's opinion on color. I picked the color because I like it. I don't give a damn if u like it or not. I don't usually throw away things I just spent $300 on. This is not a show bike. It is a 10 year old bike with a reconstructed title. I'm sure the results that can be achieved with Omni will be more than sufficient for my needs. Besides, if I was painting show bikes and could afford a $1200 paint job for a street bike I wouldn't be asking questions than an amateur painter would ask.... It must suck to have nothing better to do than go on forums and essentially insult people instead of offering any constructive advice....[/QUOTE

omni is low line paint so its clear your an amateur., that's why I'm trying to semi educate your ignorant. Ass... 1200 paint jobs don't have to cost that any hydro graphic cost 3 bucks a square ft candy's 20 bucks ..don't get pissy with me cause you trusted a WOMAN who sold you OMNI ..two things that should never be involved in body work..

[Len]

[QUOTE=style;201419]

Wow. I really don't remember asking for anyone's opinion on color. I picked the color because I like it. I don't give a damn if u like it or not. I don't usually throw away things I just spent $300 on. This is not a show bike. It is a 10 year old bike with a reconstructed title. I'm sure the results that can be achieved with Omni will be more than sufficient for my needs. Besides, if I was painting show bikes and could afford a $1200 paint job for a street bike I wouldn't be asking questions than an amateur painter would ask.... It must suck to have nothing better to do than go on forums and essentially insult people instead of offering any constructive advice....[/QUOTE

omni is low line paint so its clear your an amateur., that's why I'm trying to semi educate your ignorant. Ass... 1200 paint jobs don't have to cost that any hydro graphic cost 3 bucks a square ft candy's 20 bucks ..don't get pissy with me cause you trusted a WOMAN who sold you OMNI ..two things that should never be involved in body work..

Style, if you don't have an answer to someone's problem then maybe you should keep your mouth shut. You can express an opinion but don't be obnoxious about it. This forum is a learning tool not an insult tool where you get to tout your masculinity.

[bridger1001]

Here's what I was thinking of doing. I'm not 100% sure that this is necessarily the best plan, so if it doesn't sound good I would definitely like some constructive criticism please. I have an Astro LVLP gun with a 1.4mm tip. I'm going to be using all PPG Omni products which I have already purchased. The paint is a tri-stage diamond white pearl. I have sanded all the ABS fairings/body panels with 220 grit paper. I used a DA where I could and sanded by hand where I couldn't. I used red scotchbrite to scuff all of the edges and hard to reach areas. I had to repair a few cracks. I used fiberglass resin/mat on the back side of the cracks. I then used gold bondo to fill what was left of the imperfections on the outside of the repairs. This is where I am at right now. Next, I plan on priming all of the ABS panels/fairings with the PPG bumper surfacer that I have on hand. Of course I will wipe everything down with prep solvent first. I plan on laying 2 coats of the surfacer. I then plan on wet-sanding the ABS panels/fairings with 400 grit and a flexible block. I will probably spray on an aerosol guide coat. After the surfacer is smooth I will wipe everything down again, tack everything off(tack cloth) and lay the base coat until I achieve full hiding. I'm assuming this will take 2 coats? After I lay the base I will tape off the flames. I will mix enough pearl tint for just the flames. I was planning on adding blue pearl powder for the flames(I have already purchased it). I'm assuming one coat will be enough for the ghost flame effect that I want? After the flames are dry, I will pull off all tape and tint everything with the second stage. This includes spraying over the blue pearl flame work. I'm not sure if this takes one or two coats. I'm assuming 2? After that flashes I will lay down 2 or 3 coats of clear. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure if the way I planned on doing the flames is correct... Is it ok to mix the blue pearl powder with the Omni pearl for the flames? Will the added blue pearl make the flames look good or am I wrong in my thinking? I do want them to be ghost flames but I want to make sure I will be able to see them. It almost seems like I will just end up covering them up and not be able to see them in the end..... Somebody please look this over and tell me if this sounds good! I don't have any experience with spraying pearl or flames.

[style]

[QUOTE=Len;201422]

Style, if you don't have an answer to someone's problem then maybe you should keep your mouth shut. You can express an opinion but don't be obnoxious about it. This forum is a learning tool not an insult tool where you get to tout your masculinity.

IM MERLEY POINTING OUT SOMETHING SIMPLE,
any option is better then any kind of omni product much less a 3 stage one, he needs to open his mind to other options hes gonna go through all this trouble for a paint job to last 6 months before if flakes off or fades out,no one else is gonna be this honest in his face or he wouldnt have gone the route he went in the first place ,there are lots of other options that look better and are cheaper..



if the voices in my head bother you just let me know..

[Bob K]

Will the added blue pearl make the flames look good or am I wrong in my thinking? I do want them to be ghost flames but I want to make sure I will be able to see them. It almost seems like I will just end up covering them up and not be able to see them in the end..... Somebody please look this over and tell me if this sounds good! I don't have any experience with spraying pearl or flames.

Since it isn’t clear to me what it is or how much of the blue pearl power you intend to use I can’t give you any opinion of how it will look. The only way you can be sure you get what you want is to make some test panels with varying amounts of the powder and chose the one you like.

Bob K

[junk]

Bridger 1001 Your process sounds pretty good to me. I would probably count on spraying a sealing coat of primer after your done sanding. I'm guessing you will have some spots sanded through to base material. I would also probably mix up the flame and pearl coats. I would spray 2-4 coats of pearl first then I would put the flames on and spray what you want then before flaming. My thought is by reversing the coats you won't basically hide the flames under the pearl. Some spray out cards might be a good idea if your super concerned about the effect. Good luck sounds like a neat project.

Oh by the way on the Omni I've shot lots of it over the years. Can't say I've had any problems with it other than color match when spotting in, but your not spotting in so it's not a concern for you. Oh coverage can be a little spotty depending on the color so if your questioning coverage put an extra coat on or two.

Hope that helped, Jeremy

[frostje]

[QUOTE=style;201427]

IM MERLEY POINTING OUT SOMETHING SIMPLE,
any option is better then any kind of omni product much less a 3 stage one, he needs to open his mind to other options hes gonna go through all this trouble for a paint job to last 6 months before if flakes off or fades out,no one else is gonna be this honest in his face or he wouldnt have gone the route he went in the first place ,there are lots of other options that look better and are cheaper..



if the voices in my head bother you just let me know..

Who knows style, maybe he wants it to fade because he might not like the color anyway in 6 mos. But I dont agree with that astro lvlp for trying a tri stage. Omni is thin enough. Using a cheapy gun is not advisable. That tri stage probably costs enough, probably more than the gun and the pearl will not lay down good enough. It wont be that translucent, just IMHO.