Gun upgrade

[99ss]

I'm just worried that the cheap paint I bough wont look good iin a short amount of time. IT suposed to be comparable to centari
but now I am thinking I should go big on it and do the paint I want it to be in the future now but kandys arent like that... right... dont you need to do them at the same time or they dont look right ?

I want to do their oriental blue kandy over their metajuls fine metalic platinum 02ff with a little blue flake in a mid coat..... I've got some 4oz samples on the way to see /make some color chips.....


Paint Brand


Single Stage Acrylic Enamel


Single Stage Urethane


Acrylic Lacquer


Urethane Basecoat




Restoration Shop


AE-series Acrylic Enamel


AU-series Acrylic Urethane


AL-series Acrylic Lacquer


UB-series Urethane Basecoat




PPG


DAR-Delstar


DCC-Concept


DDL-Duracryl


DBC-Deltron Basecoat




PPG Omni


MAE-Acrylic Enamel


MTK-Urethane


N/A


MBC/MBP Basecoat




PPG Shop Line


JE-Acrylic Enamel


JAU-Acrylic Urethane


N/A


JB/JBP Basecoat




Dupont


Centari-Acrylic Enamel


ChromaOne-Acrylic Urethane


N/A


ChromaBase-Basecoat




BASF-R.M


N/A


Diamont-2K Urethane


N/A


Diamont-Basecoat




Sherwin-Williams


ACRYLYD-Acrylic Enamel


Ultra 2K-Acrylic Urethane


Sher-Lac-Acrylic Lacquer


Ultra 7000-Basecoat

[99ss]

What about these body shop mixes on ebay of centari?
DUPONT CENTARI ACRYLIC ENAMEL PAINT GALLON BRONZE CINNAMON METALLIC BODY SHOP

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPONT-CENTA...item3371b052f2


Its real cheap... and only what they mixed for sale it looks like?

Not the color just the product we're talking about.


Someone had a dark blue metallic advertised the same way. ? Is that a good idea for cheap but good paint?

I plan to revisit the restoration on this car in a year or so .. the front clip and doors are fine but I will replace the rear quarters and deck filler ...
should I use the HOK stuff now? Not sure I want to use the cheap paint I have already. The Centari can just go over what I have right now right?
I could just seal it and spray cant I? seal it sand it and spray it with ebay body shop centari?
or just use the paint I have and see what happens ? I have choices right now before I respray the disaster I have.
Wicked orange peel had to sand it all down and was told to come here to this site for help..... user error gave the peel.... under pressured the gun and it was like 45* by the time I finished painting.... So I da's it all down with 320 and am now deciding what to do about respraying it

Is this good stuff to use Dupont Corlar Epoxy Primer Sealer 825-P-26295 ?

[frostje]

What about these body shop mixes on ebay of centari?
DUPONT CENTARI ACRYLIC ENAMEL PAINT GALLON BRONZE CINNAMON METALLIC BODY SHOP

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPONT-CENTA...item3371b052f2


Its real cheap... and only what they mixed for sale it looks like? You can consider this stuff an upgrade over botton basement
brand Nason by DUpont. But it is still acrylic enamel. You would need reducer and hardener.

Not the color just the product we're talking about.


Someone had a dark blue metallic advertised the same way. ? Is that a good idea for cheap but good paint?
Single stage Urethane will last longer than 5yrs id say. A/E is about a 1-2yr fix. If you keep it waxed and out of the
sun. Maybe 3+yrs.

I plan to revisit the restoration on this car in a year or so .. the front clip and doors are fine but I will replace the rear quarters and deck filler ...
should I use the HOK stuff now? Your choice

Not sure I want to use the cheap paint I have already. The Centari can just go over what I have right now right?

Sure

I could just seal it and spray cant I? seal it sand it and spray it with ebay body shop centari?

Scuff and shoot. Sealing is always a good idea.


or just use the paint I have and see what happens ? I have choices right now before I respray the disaster I have.
Wicked orange peel had to sand it all down and was told to come here to this site for help..... user error gave the peel.... under pressured the gun and it was like 45* by the time I finished painting.... So I da's it all down with 320 and am now deciding what to do about respraying it

320 for a/e 400-600 for bc/cc. 400 for ss urethane.

Is this good stuff to use Dupont Corlar Epoxy Primer Sealer 825-P-26295 ?

Yes


Candies must all be done at once. If your new to painting, Iwouldnt suggest trying candy. Very easy to screw up if your intending to do an entire vehicle. You can't panel paint. They wont match. True candy before is a 3 stage coating system. Too hard. You could try their candy basecoat which mimic candies. That is just bc/cc.

[99ss]

I've done small stuff with kandy and really like it so I'd like do the whole car. I know its not as easy as painting an intake but you have to start sometime.

What about that body shop centari? is that legit centari that somoene is seling maybe extra that they have or thya buy in big quantity and mix and sell for cheap?

[99ss]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PPG-Deltron-...item3f117d62c1


what about deltron ?

[frostje]

I've done small stuff with kandy and really like it so I'd like do the whole car. I know its not as easy as painting an intake but you have to start sometime.

What about that body shop centari? is that legit centari that somoene is seling maybe extra that they have or thya buy in big quantity and mix and sell for cheap?

it's seems to be all legit. It's may be a random year color. If you buy with a specific color code it will be usually more expensive. Like I said that was acrylic enamel. Believe it or not, Centari is actually a step above maaco's nason acrylic enamel, which paint job , I think it is the 500 job that uses it. The job below that is the ambassador.-- which uses synthetic non catalyted enamel.(
299.95) basically garbage. Probably 15 dollars worth of paint.

[frostje]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PPG-Deltron-...item3f117d62c1


what about deltron ?

This is a good price. A gallon of basecoat is alot , that would do 2 medium size cars +. Cheap. You still need the gallon of reducer with it , but that stuff is about 80 for a gallon I bet. 200 for the mix and you would need a gallon of clear and activator to finish. All in all about 300 worth of materials. This is a bc/cc system. How good the quality is more dependent on a good clear. If you want it to last 10+ years go with something decent priced.

[99ss]

If I can get him to mix the color I want I'll go with the Deltron or the Deltron 2000 its 89 and 189 or so then the cost of the otehr materials as well so maybe I'll use the regular deltron instead .... I'm sure I can get who ever it is to set me up with all that I need.... But I'm guessing this is a better option than using the au restoration shop single stage urethane?



Can I use dupont sealer with the deltron?

[frostje]

If I can get him to mix the color I want I'll go with the Deltron or the Deltron 2000 its 89 and 189 or so then the cost of the otehr materials as well so maybe I'll use the regular deltron instead .... I'm sure I can get who ever it is to set me up with all that I need.... But I'm guessing this is a better option than using the au restoration shop single stage urethane?

bc/cc is always the best option. Deltron PPG is very good stuff.



Can I use dupont sealer with the deltron?

Yes, you should have no problem with that.

[99ss]

talked to a person at a paint store and they said DBU is more like 390 a gallon and that who knows what your getting at 89/gallon... thats way below his cost..... so how do I know if thats real deltron? or isnt really omni?

[frostje]

talked to a person at a paint store and they said DBU is more like 390 a gallon and that who knows what your getting at 89/gallon... thats way below his cost..... so how do I know if thats real deltron? or isnt really omni?

it's ebay, there is fraud involved there. It's not omni, it may be old paint. Some supplier had it sitting around for yrs. I wouldn't trust it. Just go and buy some from a paint supplier. That way you can return what you dont like. 390 a gallon is about right. I paid 90 quart for chromabase. Depends upon the code and colors though. No.. its not omni. Like I said , I was shocked by that price. The acrylic enamel is a little low too. Thats about 90-110 a gallon too. All I can say is it's the right can... PPG is usually the most expensive. Very good product, but pricey , unless you get the OMNI brand which is economy PPG. Nason is the Dupont economy. FYI, Maaco uses alot of NAson paints, including their upper finishes. I wouldnt put expensive paint on anything unless its classic or your going to keep it 6+yrs. To make it look better and save on money as well as longevity, I'd go with a good SS urethane. You get the UV protection and economy.

[99ss]

Whats SS urethane?

[frostje]

Whats SS urethane?

Single stage paint. Like acrylic enamel but is urethane based. Single Stage meaning 1 type of paint application. There is no 2 part system. The color is mixed with it's clear. Its way tougher than acrylic enamel. each system has its benefits. bc/cc best, easiest to fix if u screw up.
ss is not as easy to apply , but very good protection and cheaper to buy. acrylic enamel is the cheapest, not easy to fix at all, but cheap, and will not hold up really long. take your choice.

[99ss]

Thx for all the help

Today was like xmas... new gun arrived and Lens video as wel..

[Len]

Single stage paint. Like acrylic enamel but is urethane based. Single Stage meaning 1 type of paint application. There is no 2 part system. The color is mixed with it's clear. Its way tougher than acrylic enamel. each system has its benefits. bc/cc best, easiest to fix if u screw up.
ss is not as easy to apply , but very good protection and cheaper to buy. acrylic enamel is the cheapest, not easy to fix at all, but cheap, and will not hold up really long. take your choice.

Why do you think that SS urethane is more difficult to apply than acrylic enamel? I find very little if any difference other than AE will run more easily.