What do you guys think??

[GTOKID]

I recently read an article in Street Rodder - they sprayed 2 coats of clear - wet sanded with 800 -sprayed 2 more coats of clear - then continued with the normal sandpaper progression and polishing. They indicated that by doing this, they reduced the chance of orange peel buildup. Any thoughts? I am very close to spraying BC/CC - I purchased the Plus gun from Len and can't wait to use it. I've read - if the gun is adjusted properly, it should lay down a pretty smooth coat - Thanks.

[twfsa]

Don't have an answer for you but can't wait to read you comments on the Plus. Pic's too if you can.

[Len]

I recently read an article in Street Rodder - they sprayed 2 coats of clear - wet sanded with 800 -sprayed 2 more coats of clear - then continued with the normal sandpaper progression and polishing. They indicated that by doing this, they reduced the chance of orange peel buildup. Any thoughts? I am very close to spraying BC/CC - I purchased the Plus gun from Len and can't wait to use it. I've read - if the gun is adjusted properly, it should lay down a pretty smooth coat - Thanks.

I've tried that method of clearing sanding and clearing then sanding and polishing and found that it doubled the work and didn't really result in any better finish.

[Treveiger]

want too see your results also!

[sagola-spain]

Nobody around here does that, just two coats of good quality HS clear, the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done.

[rons]

The procedure you describe is equivalent to the final stages of nitro finish on
a fine guitar. But the top coat is thinned out to four or more parts thinner to
one of nitro. The result is so smooth you can go right to the buffing stage.

[Phil V]

Nobody around here does that, just two coats of good quality HS clear, the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done.

Quote from Sagola " the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done.". With all due respect thats a load of crap. Did you really think you could post something like that and not get called out on it ? They don't have dust nibs in Spain ? Sagola guns NEVER get orange peel ? I'd like to hear more about your $150,000 (Euro's) state of the art spray booth that Sagola's hired painters spray in (a little different than most mom and pop bodyshops and podunk car dealership paint shops across the US).

[Len]

Quote from Sagola " the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done.". With all due respect thats a load of crap. Did you really think you could post something like that and not get called out on it ? They don't have dust nibs in Spain ? Sagola guns NEVER get orange peel ? I'd like to hear more about your $150,000 (Euro's) state of the art spray booth that Sagola's hired painters spray in (a little different than most mom and pop bodyshops and podunk car dealership paint shops across the US).

If it wasn't for a little dust here and there and one mishap that caused a run I wouldn't be sanding on any of the work that I've sprayed with my Sagola 4400. This is the only gun I've owned that I can say that about. I'm sure the 4400 can make orange peel when the conditions are right but I haven't experienced it yet.

[rons]

If it wasn't for a little dust here and there and one mishap that caused a run I wouldn't be sanding on any of the work that I've sprayed with my Sagola 4400. This is the only gun I've owned that I can say that about. I'm sure the 4400 can make orange peel when the conditions are right but I haven't experienced it yet.

I have had a few paint sessions that came out perfect with no dust. This was on small parts.
As the spray area increases the chance for a perfect surface diminishes. A well kept and clean
spray booth is going to increase your chance of a perfect job.

[sagola-spain]

Quote from Sagola " the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done.". With all due respect thats a load of crap. Did you really think you could post something like that and not get called out on it ? They don't have dust nibs in Spain ? Sagola guns NEVER get orange peel ? I'd like to hear more about your $150,000 (Euro's) state of the art spray booth that Sagola's hired painters spray in (a little different than most mom and pop bodyshops and podunk car dealership paint shops across the US).

Crap?...

I´ll telling you what is the standard process here, nothing more, nothing else, if you accidentally have some dust in a car, you polish it, of course, but sanding and buffing as part or the standard proccess?... no way

You can believe or not, but why should I lie? here the objetive is car-out-of-the-spraybooth=finished car, if you have to do something else to fix the paint, it is considered a fail.


Next holidays come here and ask by yourself.

[Phil V]

ANY spray gun will spray a perfect job under optimal conditions. Hell a $25 Harbor Freight job will spray a glass smooth perfect paint job under optimal conditions. What set me off was Mr. Sagola insinuated that everyone can expect perfect paint jobs with Sagola spray guns EVERY time. Here is a quote from Sagola " Nobody around here does that, just two coats of good quality HS clear, the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done". (end quote). What he is insinuating is Sagola spray guns are "the proper tool, and thats all" required to get a perfect paint job every time. He should have ended that with " in the hands of a well trained, well experienced expert professional painter under optimal conditions. (but he didn't). Some kid in podunk Iowa reads "Nobody around here does that, just two coats of good quality HS clear, the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done" and thinks " Wow, with a gun like that I can start painting cars and every job will come out perfect in my barn using a 25 year old 20 gallon sears air compressor". My point is this site is basically geared to novices with little or no experience doing body work and paint work who come here for good advice from people who ARE experienced body men and painters. Novice painters can almost certainly NOT expect the same results that Mr. Sagola stated. Sagola guns probably are good guns and it helps to keep in mind that Sagola Paint Gun Company pays this guy to portray their spray guns in the best light. He should also have ended his statement with " your experiences may vary " (which for a novice painter is a given).

[Snafu]

I've tried that method of clearing sanding and clearing then sanding and polishing and found that it doubled the work and didn't really result in any better finish.

I have never tried it for that very reason. No doubt unmasking and remasking is a must

[Len]

ANY spray gun will spray a perfect job under optimal conditions. Hell a $25 Harbor Freight job will spray a glass smooth perfect paint job under optimal conditions. What set me off was Mr. Sagola insinuated that everyone can expect perfect paint jobs with Sagola spray guns EVERY time. Here is a quote from Sagola " Nobody around here does that, just two coats of good quality HS clear, the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done". (end quote). What he is insinuating is Sagola spray guns are "the proper tool, and thats all" required to get a perfect paint job every time. He should have ended that with " in the hands of a well trained, well experienced expert professional painter under optimal conditions. (but he didn't). Some kid in podunk Iowa reads "Nobody around here does that, just two coats of good quality HS clear, the proper tool, and that´s all, no sanding, no buffing, spray it, dry it, done" and thinks " Wow, with a gun like that I can start painting cars and every job will come out perfect in my barn using a 25 year old 20 gallon sears air compressor". My point is this site is basically geared to novices with little or no experience doing body work and paint work who come here for good advice from people who ARE experienced body men and painters. Novice painters can almost certainly NOT expect the same results that Mr. Sagola stated. Sagola guns probably are good guns and it helps to keep in mind that Sagola Paint Gun Company pays this guy to portray their spray guns in the best light. He should also have ended his statement with " your experiences may vary " (which for a novice painter is a given).

Phil, I'm probably the only guy here that has sprayed paint longer than you and I can tell you that, using the same materials for the last 20 years in the same location, I've never sprayed an entire car without orange peel until I used the Sagola 4400 gun. Now I've probably used 20 or more guns in that time but I haven't used the latest Sata RPs but I doubt that they can do a paint job better than the 4400. As far as cheap guns go some are impossible to get a good job out of but, for most people, they will get a paint job that will be comparable to the money they spend on tools and materials.

[Snafu]

Is the 4400 hvlp?

[Len]

Is the 4400 hvlp?

No it's an "RP" a compliant gun.