The Times They Are A Changin

[cruzindablvd]

you guys might wanna read the latest of the autobody repair news WWW.ABRN.COM in the short of it...the EPA WANTS US TO CHANGE TO WATERNORNE PAINTS BY 2009 THEY ALSO WANNA REVISE THE 1151 RULE.

[Mooch]

I guess that means there will be a water based or bourne clear coming out.

Since all I use is Auto Air base now I'm all for it. But I would think if all the paint companies get together which they will it wont happen . Could you imagine the money they would lose by having to cut their production of what they make now. Man this will be something to watch. Having used Auto Air and I do prefer it for home use I can understand the pro being sort pissed if this happens. I love it for what I do but a production shop wont like it.

But then again if companies like PPG get aboard it will have to only get better. Just wish this had happened when I was younger. A few more years and I wont be picking up any gun again. Just my opinion. Mooch

[cruzindablvd]

I dont understand cuz from i read alot of they owners will be changing to new booths and stuff...the owns say it will cost them anywhere from 3000- 100.000 so im thinking this might hurt the small guy

[Mooch]

Maybe but if the rules take effect by 2009 they might not have to up grade their spray booths .For example Auto Air has no VOCs . Who knows what the feds will do anyway. One thing for sure they don't care about either the big guy or the little guy. That you can go to the bank with. mooch

[Len]

Maybe but if the rules take effect by 2009 they might not have to up grade their spray booths .For example Auto Air has no VOCs . Who knows what the feds will do anyway. One thing for sure they don't care about either the big guy or the little guy. That you can go to the bank with. mooch

Water based paint is not a top coat, you still need to clear them. The clear is where you find the VOCs and the isos.

[Mooch]

Len if you read my first answer I think you will see I know that. That reference was to the fact that the paint companies will come out with a water based clear which WILL be VOC free.

And I can understand why guys like you who make their living off of painting wont like it at all. But get with the times because it's gone to happen sooner than we think. Mooch

[doug]

The whole thing scares the hell outta me. I've been investing a lot of money lately in painting tools. I've got a driveway full of projects that need paint- I sure hope I can still buy good paint when the time comes. I'd like to think there's enough business selling to the little guys to keep the dream alive. I guess we'll see.

2009: (pssssst- yeah you- hey buddy, wanna buy some urethane?)

[Len]

Len if you read my first answer I think you will see I know that. That reference was to the fact that the paint companies will come out with a water based clear which WILL be VOC free.

And I can understand why guys like you who make their living off of painting wont like it at all. But get with the times because it's gone to happen sooner than we think. Mooch

It's not that I'm against water based color, I think it's a good idea I just don't want people to think that they can spray water base and be done with the job. The color coat is the easiest part of any bc/cc application water or solvent. It's the clear that is not only difficult to spray but also potentially harmful to the person spraying and the waste is toxic to the environment and needs to be handled properly.

[Len]

The whole thing scares the hell outta me. I've been investing a lot of money lately in painting tools. I've got a driveway full of projects that need paint- I sure hope I can still buy good paint when the time comes. I'd like to think there's enough business selling to the little guys to keep the dream alive. I guess we'll see.

2009: (pssssst- yeah you- hey buddy, wanna buy some urethane?)

Doug
The only thing that will happen when the govenment gets involved is that the material price will go up and the ability to buy will be more difficult but they won't stop distribution in this manor.

[Len]

What is really difficult to understand is the fact that most professional collision shops don't want to deal with paint jobs, they want to do collision work. They make more money on one good hit than several overall paint jobs. So where are you going to go to get a "good" paint job??? and can you imagine how much a "good" paint job will cost when the shops that WILL do the work are all jammed and can price the work anyway they want. Hmmm, maybe I should get back into the business if this ever becomes a reality.

[doug]

It's high enough already. That's the reason I'd think the hobbiest market should be thriving. As long as I can still obtain (and afford) my own paints and primers, it won't matter. But, that is the $64,000 question.

[Roch_Greg]

This is just like the other issue about enforcing new regulations that only "certified" shops or indiviuals in their employ will be able to buy paint.

Waterborne basecoats look promising, but until they develop a whole line of supplies (from primers to topcoats) it's going to be an uphill battle to get this thing to pass.

[mnydvr]

did'nt we go through this water base thing along tme ago and it was found to be to costly?What, we all became rich over the years,or maybe they will supply all the equipment the shop will need for free?This will just make it easier for some shmuck to make money at home spraying "illegal' MATERIALS in his garage,whatever,I'll be retired by then so...........