Epa New Ruling Please This

[cruzindablvd]

HI GUYS EVERYONE MIGHT WANNA READ THIS BOUT THE EPA RULING. AT THIS SITE WWW.AUTOBODYONLINE.COM

[Roch_Greg]

This was posted and discussed awhile ago here. Before the change to the new format otherwise I'm sure you would seen it.

As a side note, I talked with both of the local jobbers here and they say they have been trying to pass this law/ruling for years. Probelm is the current Administration is so pro-buisness that they will probaly get it this time.

They both also said that as much as 45% of thier business comes from regular people and not body shops. So they would stand to loose a lot if these new guidelines are enacted and enforced.

Lastly, I visited that website in the link and read through some of the forums. Man what a bunch of disgruntled folks.

Everyone there has a beef with someone or some group.

Greg in Rochester

[Len]

HI GUYS EVERYONE MIGHT WANNA READ THIS BOUT THE EPA RULING. AT THIS SITE WWW.AUTOBODYONLINE.COM


From what the EPA says it's going to be at least 2011 before any rules are in place and I'm sure there is going to be some heavy court battles before any changes come down. The body shop associations are pushing this issue in order to trap more business, this has very little to do with pollution and more to do with lobbying and campaign financing. Do-it-yourselfers generate very little air pollution compared to pro shops. You can voice your concerns to the proper authorities but money has a tendency to talk louder than just talk or letter writing.

[Roch_Greg]

To me it seems as if those people are living in a fantasy world. I mean as if I can't buy Autobody supplies (paint, primer and such) they will get my buisness.

They don't have a clue that some people really enjoy doing things themselves or just like this as a hobby.

Just how many of them got started painting in a garage anyway?

[Phil V]

More from the far left eco-nazi's. Don' t they realize that cows farting methane gas is doing thousands of times more damage to the atmosphere than all the back yard painters combined? Don't they realize that all the wetlands like the huge Okefenokee swamp is damaging our atmosphere and the air we breath thousands of times more than back yard painters ? Everytime the America gov't enacts some "war" like the "war on poverty", the "war on drugs" , Prohibition all they do unwittingly create a whole new subculture and black market for the very things they're trying to get rid of ? ANYTIME there is a demand for ANY product some one or some group will be willing to fill that demand. The whole thing is a joke about restricting the sales of paintshop supplies. As soon as they enact some eco-nazi law people will simply find a way around that law. Its human nature. And as usual the only people who will be hurt by that new law will be those who are honest and try to do things the right way.

[Len]

More from the far left eco-nazi's. Don' t they realize that cows farting methane gas is doing thousands of times more damage to the atmosphere than all the back yard painters combined? Don't they realize that all the wetlands like the huge Okefenokee swamp is damaging our atmosphere and the air we breath thousands of times more than back yard painters ? Everytime the America gov't enacts some "war" like the "war on poverty", the "war on drugs" , Prohibition all they do unwittingly create a whole new subculture and black market for the very things they're trying to get rid of ? ANYTIME there is a demand for ANY product some one or some group will be willing to fill that demand. The whole thing is a joke about restricting the sales of paintshop supplies. As soon as they enact some eco-nazi law people will simply find a way around that law. Its human nature. And as usual the only people who will be hurt by that new law will be those who are honest and try to do things the right way.

This has almost nothing to do with environmental concerns, it's all about money and who wins and looses. Body shops that spray a quart of paint cause just as much harm to the environment as the DIYer. These issues are being pushed by money interests NOT by environmental concerns. You are seeing the problem with money in politics not what is best for the citizens.

[Phil V]

Len, I do agree with you that money is the main motivational factor. I used go to the ABOL (autobody online) forum which catered mainly to body/paint shop owners. I never seen a more nit picking whiny group of people in my life (with the notable exception of a group of Corvette owners). It looked to me like the people at ABOL had only one focus and that was to wring every last penny they could out of this business to the point that it was almost laughable. They somehow figured the back yard bodymen and do it yourselfers were "robbing" them of their justly deserved income. What they didn't realize and didn't want to hear is that most people like the DIY'rs couldn't afford to pay their inflated bodyshop/paintshop rates.

[bigbill]

Maybe by 2011 someone will invent a paint that doesn't harm the enviorment or us.

[kenc]

Maybe by 2011 someone will invent a paint that doesn't harm the enviorment or us.


Supposedly the waterborne paints used in Europe are better for the environment than
the iso laced stuff we use, BUT I hear that they are *very* difficult for the hobbyist to
use effectively since they are slow drying and basically designed for bake drying
as would be present in a car manufacturers paint plant.
Ken

[Len]

Supposedly the waterborne paints used in Europe are better for the environment than
the iso laced stuff we use, BUT I hear that they are *very* difficult for the hobbyist to
use effectively since they are slow drying and basically designed for bake drying
as would be present in a car manufacturers paint plant.
Ken

The problem is not isos, it's the solvent but it's not going to make any difference because this isn't about environmental concerns. You'll still be able to paint your boat or airplane as long as you don't use automotive paint or buy it from automotive suppliers because this is about keeping the money flowing to the politicians. The laws are being crafted to channel money in the direction of those who support the people making the laws and these are the businesses that use the paint that you'll have difficulty getting in another five to ten years if the body shops and their associations have their way.

Waterborne paint still releases some solvent so that will probably come under the same umbrella while water based paint will not but you still need to clear either so that's where the problem will be.

Note: When all these rules come down you'll still be able to get just about any paint you need it will just cost you a lot more and you'll need to go through "channels" to get it.

Check in with SEMA and other organizations that support your ability to paint your own vehicle. I don't know the statistics but I'll bet there are a lot more injuries from paint being used in body shops than there are from paint being used by DIYers.