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Jim2
04-21-2016, 05:41 PM
I'm afraid I might have a big job ahead of me.. I don't like the looks of this..

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/jimguitars/F%20150/20160421_103447_zpszt6kq35c.jpg

That's "Mobil 1" oil, and it might be overdue for a changing, but I don't think it should ever look like that... :gloomy:

Jim2
04-21-2016, 05:43 PM
The old truck still runs fine... Sometimes the idle is a little rough for a few seconds after start up, but it quickly smooths out on it's own.

Len
04-21-2016, 06:21 PM
I'm afraid I might have a big job ahead of me.. I don't like the looks of this..

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g267/jimguitars/F%20150/20160421_103447_zpszt6kq35c.jpg

That's "Mobil 1" oil, and it might be overdue for a changing, but I don't think it should ever look like that... :gloomy:

Yep, it looks like it might be getting coolant in it.

SStampede
04-22-2016, 06:53 AM
What year is it? Some 4.2 had lower intake issues, do google search.

Thanks.

Jim2
04-22-2016, 02:18 PM
What year is it? Some 4.2 had lower intake issues, do google search.

Thanks.

Thanks man :thumb: ... I'm looking into it, and I see what you're saying.

But I'm seeing conflicting stories about when they got the intake gasket problem fixed. Some say 96-97 is a problem, and some say 97-98 is a problem. Mine is a '98 with 194K on it, so I'm hoping it's just age related.

The search continues.. but replacing the lower intake gasket sure sounds a lot easier than replacing the head gaskets. I'm half tempted to just do them all "while I'm at", but it sounds like a lot more work (which might not be necessary). I gotta learn more about it before I start..

Phil V
04-24-2016, 10:20 AM
Just as a general guess I'd say it was a bad head gasket or cracked cylinder head. Either way the intake manifold is going to have to come off to get at the heads. What do the spark plugs look like ? Did you have any problems with the temperature gauge (assuming it has a gauge and not just an idiot light) go up way past normal and back and forth between normal and way warmer than normal ? If the temp gauge spikes upwards (not all the time) then it's a sign of a bad head gasket or cracked head at it's early stages. could very well be an intake gasket too.

If one of the spark plugs is a lighter brown (sometimes almost white) then I would do a leak down test on that cylinder. Is there any oil in the antifreeze ?

Jim2
04-24-2016, 10:59 AM
Just as a general guess I'd say it was a bad head gasket or cracked cylinder head. Either way the intake manifold is going to have to come off to get at the heads. What do the spark plugs look like ? Did you have any problems with the temperature gauge (assuming it has a gauge and not just an idiot light) go up way past normal and back and forth between normal and way warmer than normal ? If the temp gauge spikes upwards (not all the time) then it's a sign of a bad head gasket or cracked head at it's early stages. could very well be an intake gasket too.

If one of the spark plugs is a lighter brown (sometimes almost white) then I would do a leak down test on that cylinder. Is there any oil in the antifreeze ?

... head gasket was my first thought too Phil, but it looks like that's not a common problem with this engine. Nor cracked heads... But the lower intake gasket has a lot of stories about it..

The temp gage stays in the good zone.. I never saw it act funny like what you described. In fact, all the gages look right every time I look at them.

I haven't checked the plugs lately, and I don't see any oil in the radiator.. I hope it's just the intake gasket, but not sure yet...

style
04-24-2016, 03:46 PM
Glad to hear the good news:D, so now you can finally upgrade it get me your zip code and I'll send you a price with shipping on the 5.0 and do you want it auto or standard transmission?

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1119673-ford-5-0-swap-cost.html

I just saw a rolled over 93 cobra the other day that would be perfect supercharged too..

Jim2
04-24-2016, 10:39 PM
Glad to hear the good news:D, so now you can finally upgrade it get me your zip code and I'll send you a price with shipping on the 5.0 and do you want it auto or standard transmission?

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1119673-ford-5-0-swap-cost.html

I just saw a rolled over 93 cobra the other day that would be perfect supercharged too..

:thumb: thanks Style, but I'm not likely to take it that far. If I put that engine in there, it'll probably just break the transmission.

Just for shits and grins though, I would like to hear how much it costs to ship an engine out here. I could pick it up at the docks...

1331 N. Nimitz hwy
Honolulu HI, 96817

style
04-25-2016, 03:26 PM
:thumb: thanks Style, but I'm not likely to take it that far. If I put that engine in there, it'll probably just break the transmission.

Just for shits and grins though, I would like to hear how much it costs to ship an engine out here. I could pick it up at the docks...

1331 N. Nimitz hwy
Honolulu HI, 96817
I found another one not supercharged I can do engine transmission harness and computer 2250 shipped to your door.. shipping alone is 1500.. my parts prices are way lower then most places that's with around 90k miles..

You can get a regular 5.0 pretty cheap locally https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/cto/5550858228.html

Jim2
04-25-2016, 09:20 PM
I found another one not supercharged I can do engine transmission harness and computer 2250 shipped to your door.. shipping alone is 1500.. my parts prices are way lower then most places that's with around 90k miles..

You can get a regular 5.0 pretty cheap locally https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/cto/5550858228.html

Thanks for the link man, that IS cheap! ...And Waimanalo is only about 20 minutes from here... But I really don't have a place to swap motors and do all the customizing that would be required in the first place. My buddy doesn't run that shop anymore..

Shipping is always a problem out here. It's never cheap unless it can ship in the mail. Many listings on eBay won't even ship to Hawaii/Alaska at all..

Your price for the engine is good though. Years ago, we paid $900 for a Ford 3.0 v6 (with comparable mileage) at a local junkyard. And nobody really even wants those engines... but it was a direct swap for what we were working on, so we used it.

I have a friend who just blew the rear on a first gen Firebird. He's looking for a Ford 9", or a GM 12 bolt, to upgrade it. But that won't be cheap to ship either... he loves the car though, so he might be willing to pay the shipping if we can't find it on this island.

Cheers Style, thanks man :thumb:

SStampede
04-26-2016, 11:52 AM
I had a 97, that the lower intake let go, and filled the one cylinder up with coolant. Luckily it was when I tried starting it, and it wouldnt turn over, pulled the plugs, pumped the coolant out, changed intake gaskets, and went on. I've heard some guys losing the engine, the gasket would let go when the engine was running. The problem was from 96-98, get it fixed soon.

Thanks.

junk
04-27-2016, 12:32 AM
How much does it get driven? Is there a chance it's just condensation? I know jeep liberties were bad for having milkshake on the oil fill.

Just a thought.

Jim2
04-27-2016, 03:31 AM
Thanks again you guys. I drive it daily, but usually it's a pretty short drive. I'm babying it nowadays..

Phil V
04-28-2016, 05:32 PM
Thanks again you guys. I drive it daily, but usually it's a pretty short drive. I'm babying it nowadays..

Jim, when you change the oil how long does it take for it to get milky again ?

Jim2
04-28-2016, 05:38 PM
Jim, when you change the oil how long does it take for it to get milky again ?

I don't know Phil... it's been a while since I changed the oil..

The foam is only on the cap. The dipstick looks ok (but the oil is really dark).

It's down one quart right now, so I'm thinking about putting some Seafoam or Lucas in there, and driving it a little before dropping the oil.

bmarler
04-29-2016, 11:16 AM
that's just condensation jim, you're not driving far enough to dry out the motor. as high as the humidity is where you're at i'm surprised you haven't seen it before. as long as the oil in the pan is good, you're ok.

CraigS
04-29-2016, 11:26 AM
On the other hand, where he is, it shouldn't get cool enough to condense out of the air into water very often.

Jim2
04-29-2016, 04:17 PM
Thanks again you guys. I'm gonna try changing the oil this weekend and then see how fast it comes back. It might be a waste of oil, but I guess it needs to be flushed out anyway. :thumb:

Jim2
04-29-2016, 04:26 PM
On the other hand, where he is, it shouldn't get cool enough to condense out of the air into water very often.

That's an interesting point Craig. I'm trying to add it up, but I'm not sure how to do it.

The humidity around here is usually between 60-75%, and sometimes higher. But it's very rare for the humidity to drop below 50%. In fact, I don't remember ever seeing humidity below 50% out here.

The temp at night often gets into the sixties. Sometimes there will be some dew in the morning, not as much as I remember from NJ though.

Jim2
12-11-2017, 10:13 PM
I thought it might be game over for the old Ford today, but I was wrong again...

After sitting in some stop and go traffic for about 10 minutes on the highway, I could smell coolant, but the temp gage was looking ok....

When the highway opened up, I was in the left lane next to the divider, and I heard a wicked rattling sound at mid throttle. When I hit the gas, or let off the gas, the sound went away. But at "cruise" it was very bad!

(The sound turned out to be pinging, but I never heard pinging that sounded quite like that, and it went away when I stepped on the gas, so I ruled out overheating at first)

So I pulled off on the side, and the smoke was pouring out. I checked under the hood, and there was some water splattered around... Coolant was low, but the oil looked ok...

As I was pulling up to a safe spot to stop, I noticed the oil pressure gage was jumping around. When I tapped the gas to idle forward, the oil pressure gage dropped pretty low, but then it bounced right back up when I let off the gas...

The temp gage was a little high, but still near the middle of the "good" zone... so I figured it wasn't just overheating.

At this point, I thought it was over... Gonna need a new top end...

As I was on the phone, figuring out what I'm gonna do, the "Freeway Service Patrol" (tow truck) pulled up behind me.. what a great service that is! They'll give you a free tow to the nearest safe place, just to get you off the highway ... I see these guys all the time, but I never knew exactly how it worked... I'm told they'll even give you a free gallon of gas if you run out of gas too...

But anyways, he towed me to a local park and dropped me off at a shady spot under a big overpass.

After getting a better look at everything, now that the engine was cool, I found that the bottom coolant hose sprung a leak where it comes off the water pump. So I cut the end off it and hooked it back up. The old F-150 is back in the game! But for how long, remains to be seen...

Henry
12-11-2017, 10:39 PM
I thought it might be game over for the old Ford today, but I was wrong again...

After sitting in some stop and go traffic for about 10 minutes on the highway, I could smell coolant, but the temp gage was looking ok....

When the highway opened up, I was in the left lane next to the divider, and I heard a wicked rattling sound at mid throttle. When I hit the gas, or let off the gas, the sound went away. But at "cruise" it was very bad!

(The sound turned out to be pinging, but I never heard pinging that sounded quite like that, and it went away when I stepped on the gas, so I ruled out overheating at first)

So I pulled off on the side, and the smoke was pouring out. I checked under the hood, and there was some water splattered around... Coolant was low, but the oil looked ok...

As I was pulling up to a safe spot to stop, I noticed the oil pressure gage was jumping around. When I tapped the gas to idle forward, the oil pressure gage dropped pretty low, but then it bounced right back up when I let off the gas...

The temp gage was a little high, but still near the middle of the "good" zone... so I figured it wasn't just overheating.

At this point, I thought it was over... Gonna need a new top end...

As I was on the phone, figuring out what I'm gonna do, the "Freeway Service Patrol" (tow truck) pulled up behind me.. what a great service that is! They'll give you a free tow to the nearest safe place, just to get you off the highway ... I see these guys all the time, but I never knew exactly how it worked... I'm told they'll even give you a free gallon of gas if you run out of gas too...

But anyways, he towed me to a local park and dropped me off at a shady spot under a big overpass.

After getting a better look at everything, now that the engine was cool, I found that the bottom coolant hose sprung a leak where it comes off the water pump. So I cut the end off it and hooked it back up. The old F-150 is back in the game! But for how long, remains to be seen...

Said it before and here goes again. That truck owes you absolutely NOTHING!. Couple things:

You said: "I'm told they'll even give you a free gallon of gas if you run out of gas too... In Europe on the Autobahn (Hi-way) you have broken the law if you run out of gas. Common to carry a container with gas in it with you and a tow rope to help your fellow motorist get away from the 'fast' moving traffic. It's the Don't be Stupid law as only a fool would drive without enough gas.

At first reading your post I thought water pump and the sound you heard was the fan slopping around. Victim of a worn bearing in the pump. The fan could halt noise at certain rpm's and yes, some coolant would leak from the weep hole in the bottom of the pump.

Big red Christmas bow for that truck! Happy motoring and keep it that way. And you know that actually was a maintenance item.

Henry

Jim2
12-11-2017, 11:13 PM
Said it before and here goes again. That truck owes you absolutely NOTHING!. Couple things:

You said: "I'm told they'll even give you a free gallon of gas if you run out of gas too... In Europe on the Autobahn (Hi-way) you have broken the law if you run out of gas. Common to carry a container with gas in it with you and a tow rope to help your fellow motorist get away from the 'fast' moving traffic. It's the Don't be Stupid law as only a fool would drive without enough gas.

At first reading your post I thought water pump and the sound you heard was the fan slopping around. Victim of a worn bearing in the pump. The fan could halt noise at certain rpm's and yes, some coolant would leak from the weep hole in the bottom of the pump.

Big red Christmas bow for that truck! Happy motoring and keep it that way. And you know that actually was a maintenance item.

Henry

And you know that actually was a maintenance item.

Yeah, I know Henry... but you know I don't maintain my truck as good as some people..
That's how I know that "Built Ford Tough" is a true slogan! :evil:

Chevys might be faster, but Fords can take some abuse!


You said: "I'm told they'll even give you a free gallon of gas if you run out of gas too... In Europe on the Autobahn (Hi-way) you have broken the law if you run out of gas. Common to carry a container with gas in it with you and a tow rope to help your fellow motorist get away from the 'fast' moving traffic. It's the Don't be Stupid law as only a fool would drive without enough gas.

As for that one, I have a split opinion... I've run out of gas with almost every vehicle I ever owned, including this one (once, but I was able to coast it up to the pumps)... But the only time I ever ran out of gas on a highway was with the CB1000. I didn't realise that I was already on reserve, and when I went to switch it to reserve, she stalled out right there in the middle lane, going uphill, with medium traffic... I managed to coast it to the shoulder, but I had to make a crazy "dive bomber" move in front of an asshole who was trying to speed up when he saw my blinker.

Fukn asshole!!! :yikes ..I had to drop in front of him like it was the entrance to the first turn of a MX race! I was down to about 35 at that point, and losing speed fast. Everyone else was going 60... That was definitely the scariest thing I ever did on a bike! But I had no choice..

Come to think of it, I ran the old Monte Carlo out of gas on the highway once too, but I managed to coast it onto an off-ramp. In that story, I knew I didn't have enough gas to get home, but I was broke... But I got a lot closer than I thought I would by slipstreaming an 18 wheeler. In the end, it was only about an hour delay..

Jim2
12-12-2017, 12:15 AM
Just as a general guess I'd say it was a bad head gasket or cracked cylinder head. Either way the intake manifold is going to have to come off to get at the heads. What do the spark plugs look like ? Did you have any problems with the temperature gauge (assuming it has a gauge and not just an idiot light) go up way past normal and back and forth between normal and way warmer than normal ? If the temp gauge spikes upwards (not all the time) then it's a sign of a bad head gasket or cracked head at it's early stages. could very well be an intake gasket too.

If one of the spark plugs is a lighter brown (sometimes almost white) then I would do a leak down test on that cylinder. Is there any oil in the antifreeze?
Belated thanks Phil :thumb:

Back when this thread was new, and your comment was new, I had never seen the temp gage act strange like that..

A few weeks ago, it did what you described...

I was in stop and go "city traffic", waiting on a bunch of red lights, and she got a little hot.

When I got onto the highway, she cooled back down.. But then, when I had to get on the gas kinda hard, while going up a hill (to get around a slowpoke), the temp gage spiked up for a moment. If I wasn't already keeping a close eye on the temp gage, I might never have noticed..

The temp gage went right back to normal after that, but when I got home I added 3 litres of water to get the coolant level back to normal.

dlmrun2002
12-28-2017, 03:40 PM
For what it's worth I've been driving my Subaru with a blown head gasket for 3 years. Some Subaru's are well documented with Head Gasket failure which Subaru corporate did a big song and dance on. Leaks oil and looses a little coolant. But the car is a beater and I just check oil and antifreeze regularly to keep it rolling. I do smell coolant once in a while and always usually have oil smoking on the block. Now the rusted subframes... that's another story.. :privateeye:

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