Any respect for Binks Mach1-G?

[fireboat]

I know this is another in the never ending series of spray gun questions but I can not find much info on the Binks M1-G when doing a search on internet forums.
The reason I ask is that I can pick up a used but very clean M1-G for a hundred bucks. The seller says it is a great gun for base but it does leave slightly more orange peel than the top tier guns. Is this true in anyone's experience? Would a 1.3 tip from a CAT gun fit and be better for clears?
I figure the M1-G is durable with readily availble parts for years to come, so I think it may be a better deal than say an Astro (though I have had good experiences with Astro pnuematic tools). I would really like to get a Devilbiss Plus but I made getting a supplied air system the first priority, but the Binks would let me do both right away.
I am a hobbyiest that hopes to restore 2-3 cars in the next 4-5 years.
Thanks for any feedback.

[Phil V]

There are several better guns than the Binks M1G. (thats a nice way of saying the M1G is a crappy clearcoat gun). My advice is to pass on that gun for a hundred dollars. Sometimes free is not a good deal if it doesn't do what you want it to do.

[fireboat]

Thanks for the reply. That was sort of the impression that I had but no one put it as clearly as you.

[CoolasIce]

Hey, fireboat, do you have a CATechnologies spray gun? If so, what model and how do you like it?
I am considering buying the Tech 3. They claim it produces "smoke like" atomization. In other words it atomizes the paint very well. Isn't that what a good paint gun all about?:)

[fireboat]

No, I do not have a CAT gun. I have read elsewhere that the same guys who designed the Binks M1-G also designed the CAT(they left Binks after ITW bought them out). I have also read that the CAT is a good atomizing gun so I was wondering if the Binks would take the 1.3 CAT tip and thus make it a better clear coat gun. They look identical to each other. Oh well, this discussion is now more for the sake of curiousity as I hate to experiment and throw away money. If I had some good feedback on the M1-G, I was going to take a chance on it for a C-note.
However, if you do a search and/or a post, I'm sure that there are guys here who have used the CAT and can give you a first hand opinion rather than hearsay.

[pacer]

I have an M1g it works ok.I got it for free from someone who used it once.It works ok.It's not good for clear.It retails for 300, I don't think it's worth it.

[Henry]

Thanks for the reply. That was sort of the impression that I had but no one put it as clearly as you.
Hey, ask a question and Phil either states (long reply) or just says what he has to. I usually always agree with him because of the countless hours he has dedicated doing this in his own shop. ALSO, Phil is the type that just can't leave well enough alone. If there is a product out there he just can't use it. He has to disect it, understand the entire operation, see if he can improve it, buy something else to compare it to, just for the hell of it. Have the tons of air tools he has he really doesn't need but after near 40 years in the business you start to collect stuff. Anyway, enough about Phil...........

One of the guns I own is the M1-G and I think it to be a pretty good gun. Doesn't require a lot of air and really holds up. One of our board members here from Texas (DON-Z-DON) with his own shop only uses the Binks M1-G. I really can't understand that because he can well afford a thousand dollar gun if he wanted and he, like Phil, has done enough painting to know what works well. Not sure why he prefers his Binks. I still like mine and I think if the inside was as clean as the outside AND YOU KNEW THE PERSON SELLING IT (or saw it in use) it would not be a bad deal. That being said, I also have a couple DeVilbiss better guns that do better than the Binks. On base they perform very well. Because Binks is not an independant company anymore I would not be so sure on how readily available the parts are or will be. That gun is at least over 6 years old. Guess I talk too much too. Henry

[kenc]

If I remember correctly, the M1G comes with a wide assortment of tips/needles/aircaps each targetted for different applications. I imagine a lot of peole pick up an M1G off ebay and it has (for example) a wood finishing set and they don't know it. Of course, when they use it to spray clear and get bad results - well, then the gun is crap!
With this gun it's more than just asking "What's the tip size". It needs the correct matched set of tip/needle/aircap to do the job correctly.
How many people who use the M1G have the correct setup for the application? Very few I'd bet.
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