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Len
04-09-2006, 10:01 AM
We've added a new catagory of guns to the store. "Special Guns" are guns that do special things or have a unique ability. The first one we added is the swivel handle HVLP gun by Dent Fix. This gun is important for spraying areas where the handle could get in the way like rocker panels, engine compartments, drip rails, deep rims etc. etc.



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Henry
04-09-2006, 01:19 PM
Len, you keep up on everything for us; must be all those SEMA shows!!

Who makes the dent fix gun, have you tried it and what gun would you compare it to?
The other Astro Pressure Pot system; what benefit would this be to someone with good guns and ample air? Can better results be had with a system like this; is this the way to go for a newby or someone without sufficient air. I never did quite understand the principals of operation or the Basics Of Basics on this over conventional compressor/HVLP gun painting. Teach me and the others please. Thanks. Henry

Mooch
04-09-2006, 07:50 PM
Pressure pot system isn't anything new Henry. I used one 40 years ago.

I still have one and use it sometimes. I think for someone who only wants one gun they are pretty hard to beat. And they will spray clear coat very good. I prefer the newer gravity feed guns because of ease of cleaning more than anything else.
For spraying large items it's hard to beat as you don't have to stop to reload with paint . The one Len is selling looks like a pretty good deal.
Takes a little more time to get it setup right but a good system. Mooch

Henry
04-09-2006, 10:34 PM
Pressure pot system isn't anything new Henry. I used one 40 years ago.

I still have one and use it sometimes. I think for someone who only wants one gun they are pretty hard to beat. And they will spray clear coat very good. I prefer the newer gravity feed guns because of ease of cleaning more than anything else.
For spraying large items it's hard to beat as you don't have to stop to reload with paint . The one Len is selling looks like a pretty good deal.
Takes a little more time to get it setup right but a good system. Mooch
Mooch, good buddy, I know the pressure pot system is not new just I never really knew much about them. I basically saw them used in commercial buildings during contruction and just thought it was because they had no air compressor or some 'other' chemical was being sprayed. WAY back when; when you sprayed lacquer, had a cig hanging from your mouth and a beer in the other hand was LIVING. What the hell with some 2 hose pot sitting on the floor with a spray handle; hell, could have been a grease gun for all I knew.
Now I'm getting older and wonder about these things. Maybe I should have one of those P pots. Think I would buy one in a heart beat if they did some radical perfection over the HVLP and standard compressor air we all use. Take care to you, your family oh yeah, and your ass; you all healed up now? Henry

Len
04-09-2006, 10:50 PM
The pressure pot still uses a compressor but the paint if forced to the tip using between 5 to 10 PSI of pressure directed into the pot so that the paint is forced through the fluid tube. Like Mooch said this is handy for big jobs and it's also real good because you can spray with the gun at any angle and not have to worry about spilling paint or the gun sputtering. The last big job I did using a large pot like this was when I painted 6 car carriers, I was like painting the Eiffel Tower, man what a job, we used about $4500 worth of paint.

I haven't used the swivel gun yet but it looks like a great tool to have around the shop for certain jobs. I could have really used one a couple years ago when I painted 4 real deep rims off a Porsche laying face up at waste height. I ended up spraying them several times because I couldn't get the paint on evenly using a gravity or suction feed gun. With this tool I could have turned the handle in such a way that I could have lowered the gun into the rim for an easier and more even application. It would have MORE than paid for itself on that one job alone.

Henry
04-09-2006, 11:22 PM
The pressure pot still uses a compressor but the paint if forced to the tip using between 5 to 10 PSI of pressure directed into the pot so that the paint is forced through the fluid tube. .
to better applying the paint like a good quality HVLP gun and standard air compressor?
What is the atomization and how does it compare to a good gun/compressor;
How many cfm does it take to use say a half gallon of mixed clear;
How do you clean the hoses afterward;

Should this not be recommeded to Newbies without a good paint gun and larger compressor? Thanks. Henry

Len
04-09-2006, 11:42 PM
A novice painter probably woudn't have any more trouble spraying with this equipment although it will need additional adjustments before spraying starts. CFM can vary from gun to gun but most pressure pots would probably take less air because you don't need to PULL the paint to the tip because the pressure in the pot keeps it there. The pot itself uses almost no air because it only need pressure in the pot no air flow. This Astro model only uses 7 CFM of air.

One of the big hassles with a pressure pot is cleaning the fluid hose and pot. Because the hose can be anywhere from 6' to 50 ' long it can be a real challenge to clean properly. The pot is just a wipe and rinse but it's still a lot bigger than a cup on a gun. There is also one of these types of systems with the Sharpe spray guns.