New Laws troubling guys like me, in Calgary, AB.

[evolize]

The province of alberta has recently passed a law saying that basically, any kind of paint, mixed paint, paint additives, primers, sealers, clear coats, adhesives and materials used in a body shop, can only be purchased by a Liscensed Body Shop, and/or a Ticketed Journeyman Bodyman/Painter.

Now, I have my garage setup with furnace filters fans, and some smaller more fine filters to capture the paint that may escape, and do my operations really nice and cleanly out of my garage.

Now I'm not allowed to buy paint do this anymore....Really saddens me. I don't know what to do now, I have a lineup of jobs to do and have already taken payments to purchase materials, have them prepped ready for paint, but I can't buy any paint.

However they will sell it all in Aerosal Cans........:(

[Brian Felts]

Can you purchase from a online vender and have it shipped in to you. I am sorry to hear your problem......big Biz is stepping on the little guy more and more every day.


Brian

[sgo70]

I just went and bought paint and primers at Sams on Manchester road just a few days ago, and I ordered POR15 from a place in Red Deer last week! When did this happen? I don't have a licence either.

Sean

[Chris L]

Can you purchase from a online vender and have it shipped in to you. I am sorry to hear your problem......big Biz is stepping on the little guy more and more every day.


Big Biz? How about Big Gov.

[Serge]

Or find a bodyshop that will sell you the paint...

That would be the only province that did...Are you sure about that?

[All Dry]

Can you purchase from a online vender and have it shipped in to you. I am sorry to hear your problem......big Biz is stepping on the little guy more and more every day.


BrianIts not big business. Their government is the culprit.Mike

[sgo70]

If that's true we really are moving backwards here, you can't even get someone to flip a burger let alone work in any of the professions.

Sean

[StingRay]

That's nasty. Pass it along to Sema as they like to fight stuff like that.

[All Dry]

The province of alberta has recently passed a law saying that basically, any kind of paint, mixed paint, paint additives, primers, sealers, clear coats, adhesives and materials used in a body shop, can only be purchased by a Liscensed Body Shop, and/or a Ticketed Journeyman Bodyman/Painter.

Now, I have my garage setup with furnace filters fans, and some smaller more fine filters to capture the paint that may escape, and do my operations really nice and cleanly out of my garage.

Now I'm not allowed to buy paint do this anymore....Really saddens me. I don't know what to do now, I have a lineup of jobs to do and have already taken payments to purchase materials, have them prepped ready for paint, but I can't buy any paint.

However they will sell it all in Aerosal Cans........:(Remember as your spraying your paint that crime doesnt pay;) Mike

[StingRay]

I can't find any info to that new law on line anywhere. I'd like to read what it has to say. I can't imagine needing to regulate anything as far as the hobbiest is concerned and what has been done federally in the US is really quite logical and hobbiest friendly. And they are going to regulate the adhesives....what the hell is that for. Alberta (and Saskatchewan where I live)are some the biggest air polluters in the world. Regulating the automotive hobbiest is like picking off one germ in the middle of a plague. Your legislaters have their head up their butts.

[lintmann]

I think this "law" has been in effect for a while now but it's not really inforced. Even if you read the labels they say that the product is for professional use only.

I talked to two paint suppliers here in town(Calgary) today and they know nothing about it other than they are not supposed to have been selling to us hobbiests as they have been anyways.

I don't think much will change until they do away with the current high VOC paints and replace them with the water colors......

Hey Sweetgrass isn't too far if you need any kind of paint from the good ole USA anyways.

[evolize]

Which shops were you purchasing supplies from? I always went to CMAX in the northeast off Barlow because they were cheap, and now they won't even sell me clearcoat.

Now I'm stuck going to the idiots at calgary body shop supplies that put my money into their pocket when they sell me supplies :(

[lintmann]

Please check your PMs.

Greg

[Steve g]

I can't find any info to that new law on line anywhere. I'd like to read what it has to say. I can't imagine needing to regulate anything as far as the hobbiest is concerned and what has been done federally in the US is really quite logical and hobbiest friendly. And they are going to regulate the adhesives....what the hell is that for. Alberta (and Saskatchewan where I live)are some the biggest air polluters in the world. Regulating the automotive hobbiest is like picking off one germ in the middle of a plague. Your legislaters have their head up their butts.
Yes, isn't that incredible. The tar sands is probably the biggest polluters in the country at the moment and they're going to worry about a few handfuls of hobbiests.
I think I'm going to set up a body shop supply store in Field. When life gives you a lemon, add vodka.
Steve g

[e-tek]

A) I don't believe that for a second! I'm in SK too and my jobber - who deals in AB too - never mentioned it.

B) If it were ever to become the case, I would just use my my business name to register as a shop with the Gov't - they can't be too strigent - I'm sure body shops will always be the easiest businesses to open!

Although untrue (I'll bet) it's a good reminder that we all should be as careful as we can when using and disposing of paints, solvents and hazardous materials. I know almost every shop (mostly smaller) still "dump" all waste and solvents inappropriatly. I'm sure most backyard guys do the same. When I was a kid it was my job to empty the 45gal waste container (paint, thinner, reducer, etc. ) out behind the shop - it ran into the Fraser River. I'm still sick over it, but I know Akzo Nobel's plant in SK does much the same thing today (into the North SK River).

[evolize]

If any of you are DOUBTING this law, Phone CMAX in calgary.

[Steve g]

A) I don't believe that for a second! I'm in SK too and my jobber - who deals in AB too - never mentioned it.

B) If it were ever to become the case, I would just use my my business name to register as a shop with the Gov't - they can't be too strigent - I'm sure body shops will always be the easiest businesses to open!


I wouldn't be so sure it would be that easy. They would likely take the route that they did with the CFC's. You may need to produce your Journeyman's paper and take an appropriate training course. Even if you're a Journeyman you can not take the course unless you're employed in the field. You can not even purchase equipment without being certified. A shop, registered as a business or not, can not purchase refrigerants (and in MB AC components except clutch parts) unless there is a person licensed to handle those products. You have to keep a log that can be snap inspected showing where all of the refrigerants you purchased went and what you did with the refrigerants you removed. You must have approved equipment to recover refrigerants and that machine must be either beside you or connected whenever you're charging anything. Your charging lines must have ball valves no further than 8" from the hookup end, blah blah blah. No, I'd say they could make it pretty ugly without too much trouble.

Steve g

[evolize]

And I store all my used thinner lacquer paint and used materials in one gallon paint cans and then I dispose of them at the city dump where they have a big section cordoned off for chemical waste.

I do NOT dump my shit in the damn river! That ruins lives of not only animals I care about but people.

[rigidude]

maybe in Canada as well. Go to your local licensing bureau and tell them you are from mexico or el salvador or wherever down there and that you were a qualified licensed and bonded "fill in the blanks" in your native country and you will not stand for government sanctioned discrimination here or anywhere else. You should have all of your paperwork in about 10 mins....try not speaking the local language of your area or take a friend with you for the effect of a translator and just fill out the forms...you might get it in less time than that. Unless you're applying for a brain surgeon's license, in which it might take until lunchtime.....I know this all to be true - some dude from el salvador told me he was licensed bonded and insured electrician while he was licking his finger and sticking it into a light socket to make sure the power was disconnected...I learned so much from watching that guy....I'm so proud of my goverment's wisdom

[StingRay]

Hey rigidude. I actually know electricians that do exactly that. They have such thick skin on their fingers that the only way they can feel the bite is if they lick their finger first. I could hardly believe it myself.

[Len]

They tried to pass a similar bill in NJ but the outcry from the suppliers put the politicians in their place. The suppliers would not only loose customers but they would bear the expense of policing the industry. When word circulated that this could happen the suppliers banded together and forced the politicians to back off.

[Jayson M]

Are you sure about that??I live an hour and a half south of you in Lethbridge and I have never heard anything like that.Post a link if you can find that law.Maybe that is a B.S. story from your supplier and he doesn't want to sell to you??

[e-tek]

I wouldn't be so sure it would be that easy. They would likely take the route that they did with the CFC's. You may need to produce your Journeyman's paper and take an appropriate training course. Even if you're a Journeyman you can not take the course unless you're employed in the field. You can not even purchase equipment without being certified. A shop, registered as a business or not, can not purchase refrigerants (and in MB AC components except clutch parts) unless there is a person licensed to handle those products.
Steve g

Strange, a freind bought CFC regigerant last month to recharge a car - all they asked for his re-sale (GST/Vendor) number. No problem, no papers.

[Steve g]

Strange, a freind bought CFC regigerant last month to recharge a car - all they asked for his re-sale (GST/Vendor) number. No problem, no papers.
Are you sure it wasn't one of the HC refrigerants? Was it in small cans? If it was those are HC (flavored propane), not 134. It's illegal in Canada to sell cfc or 134 in containers smaller than 30 lbs. The HC are not greenhouse gas contributors or ozone depleteing and as such are not regulated. They;re just a fire hazard.

Steve g

[All Dry]

A cool program the county devoloped in our area is called the HouseHold Hazardous Waste facility as a resident or business you can drop off 5 gallons per day Free of charge .You can drop off used thinners ,paints pesticides,oil ,gasoline ,light bulbs with mercury,and many more products they take them and recycle them or dispose of it properly.The idea is for people not to dump the stuff down the drain so they came up with this state of the art facility and completely free to residents. Its all drive through to boot you dont even have to get out of the vehicle you just pull up and they unload the stuff, they will even return your containers if you want them back.Mike